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12/02/2008
Baseless, Malicious, Hogwash No More
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Separating fact from fiction - Addressing the allegations against theonlinecitizen
Someone signing off as Andrew Loh in the comment section [Or Wayangparty pretending to be Andrew Loh] demanded answers to the following questions.
1. Please tell us the name of the PAP MP whom you alleged paid Zheng Xi to write.
FACT Mdm Madeleine Ho Geok Choo, MP (PAP)
2. Please identify and name the articles on TOC about "this constituency" which you insinuated Zheng Xi was paid to write about.
No answer
3. Please tell us the name of "this constituency" so that everyone will keep an eye out to see if TOC will write "glowingly" about it, if indeed TOC writes about it.
FACT Boon Lay Constituency, West Coast GRC
After a further check of IP addresses in the comment section it is clear that wayangparty is on this occassion signing off as Andrew Loh in the comment section of this blog. So my addressing Andrew Loh (Editor of TOC) above is not correct.
Jaspers original accusation holds true though.
18:05 Posted by soci | Permalink | Comments (19) | Email this | Tags: Singapore, New Media
Comments
"so the great saviour, REMY CHOO comes in to restore toc's credibility
but actually, he is the greatest con. guess what? this toc chief is
paid by a pap mp out in the west of singapore to write. PAID BY PAP TO
WRITE. and paid quite well so its said." - Jasper's original comment
Reading this claim, there are 2 possible interpretations:
A. Jasper alleges that Remy was paid to write articles on TOC by the Whiteshirts
B. Jasper alleges that Remy was paid to write elsewhere by the Whiteshirts
We can all agree that if A is true, TOC has much to answer for - it's become a proxy for the Whiteshirts, an astroturf operation - and it deserves to be condemned for misrepresenting itself as a nonpartisan blog.
As it stands, TOC is denying A, but admitting to B.
Surely B is not as huge a crime as A? And what does B really mean - merely that TOC decided Remy's paid writing elsewhere for an MP does not constitute a conflict of interests with his role as owner of TOC, and decided that the public didn't need to know about it.
If you think that's just as bad as A, we need some explaining why it's just as bad...
Looking at TOC's explanation of Remy's work for the MP, though... preparing parliamentary speeches seems to spell out "political intern" than freelance writer?
Posted by: Akikonomu | 13/02/2008
Zheng Xi himself said he researches and writes for a Boon Lay PAP MP! But yet insist that he is not paid to write PAP views in TOC. Like standing in a no-smoking room with a lit cigarete and say, "since I did not put cigarete in mouth, it means I am not smoking so I cannot be fined for smoking"
Posted by: Mould | 13/02/2008
Agree totally. I bet that TOC themselves did not know Remy had this secret job and when they found out they opted for the B is not as bad as A scenario. Anyone who is the secret private ghost writer of a PAP MP and paid $500 MONTHLY cannot claim to represent independent writing. Absolutely no credibility.
Posted by: daemon | 13/02/2008
what else is REMY CHOO hiding from us? he thinks that working for a pap mp is not something that toc readers should know? talk cock lah.
there is something else readers wont know. if i didnt force the issue a second time at toc, REMY CHOO would still be denying to this minute that he is paid by a boon lay mp.
http://jasperwee.wordpress.com/2008/02/13/remy-choo-is-a-pap-boy-fact/
Posted by: Jasper | 13/02/2008
what else is REMY CHOO hiding from us? he thinks that working for a pap mp is not something that toc readers should know? talk cock lah.
there is something else readers wont know. if i didnt force the issue a second time at toc, REMY CHOO would still be denying to this minute that he is paid by a boon lay mp.
http://jasperwee.wordpress.com/2008/02/13/remy-choo-is-a-pap-boy-fact/
Posted by: Jasper | 13/02/2008
what else is REMY CHOO hiding from us? he thinks working for a pap mp is not something toc readers should know?
Posted by: Jasper | 13/02/2008
One cannot attack the TOC for being 'not credible' just because their connections to the PAP (if it's even true) supposedly does not go hand-in-hand with their claim of independent writing. If the writers of TOC deserve to be dragged out and beaten for their pro-PAP views, then so do the writers of Singabloodypore for having pro-SDP views as well.
Our political preferences influence our so-called 'independent writing', and TOC and Singabloodypore is no different.
Read: TOC has WP members and the allegations against their credibility are presented by a website which spews anti-WP vitriol. And has it ever been a 'crime' for pro-PAP people to express themselves online?
Posted by: Wee LS | 13/02/2008
"After a further check of IP addresses in the comment section it is clear that wayangparty is on this occassion signing off as Andrew Loh in the comment section of this blog. "
The above allegation about me signing off as Andrew Loh is completely false and baseless.
Mr Andrew Loh himself has admitted to writing the post on Sammyboyforum:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=sammyboymod&msg=166027.11
From: AndrewLoh984 7-Feb 18:43
To: ALL 11 of 15
166027.11 in reply to 166027.10
Remy and my exchanges with "Jasper" on Singabloodypore:
Remy:
Jasper, Wayangparty,
This is completely false, and really you have absolutely no credibility hiding behind pseudonyms making these completely incorrect assertions.
Anyone with a modicum with common sense would see the stupidity of a PAP MP paying people to be critical of the government.
Absolute rubbish
AndrewLoh984 is the moniker used by Andrew Loh in SBF and you can verify by reading through all the posts made by him.
Please retract the above statements.
Posted by: wayangparty | 13/02/2008
TOC kena mega pwned liao
Posted by: choochoo | 13/02/2008
That jasper guy tore TOC a real big one with the printscreen of the comment that didn't make it in TOC!
Posted by: Watcher | 14/02/2008
"Jaspers original accusation holds true though"
well said soci
it was very fair and objective of you to make that statement.
now that the truth is out, suddenly the likes of Andrew and Remy are staying away from your blog.
I would like to see the editors of TOC issue an apology to Jasper, since they were so quick to demand such from him and wayangparty
Posted by: TheOrdinaryCitizen | 14/02/2008
there is nothing in being employed by a government MP in order to make a living; there is also nothing wrong if such people discuss politics on any open discussion website, but part of this "open" discussion is explaining your background if someone asks
Posted by: yuen | 14/02/2008
Agree with yuen. It is this hiding and sneakiness behavior from Choo that suggests that he has something to hide. In chinese it is zuo zei xin xu
Posted by: daemon | 14/02/2008
The PAP's Internet Counter-Insurgents Squad led by Ng Eng Yen and Baey Yam Keng has fast become a pest, not just a nuisance to the cyber community. Judging from the strong reactions given to the recent events involving theonlinecitizen.com (TOC), the whole effort of the PAP's Counter-Insurgents Squad has back-fired on them very badly.
The Wayang King, so self-named as wayangkingsg at the Sammyboy.com's Alfresco Coffee Shop (SBF), is at the centre of storm involving TOC. For those who have dealt with him before, he comes across as a member of the PAP's Counter-Insurgents Squad, operating out of the National Health Group. He has assumed a variety of online anonymous identities at SBF, such as thinknothing, thinkpeople, Mihailov75, mehailov75, samster005, samstor005, razari, kevansg, Firdaus77, jacy_, jacys_, PM0nkeyWP, aIz2by, 0nePerson, Yishun81, exist17, PM0NKEY10, Delphilian, delphiloon, thinkdelphi, Ahkong_, andrewshit, zhengxiTOC, norfirdaus, Sarrkozy, Mohd_Hakim, titusbamble, geraldTOC, sarak_home, NoorFirdaus, Ahmed_Yusof, mohdimran, samster55, spartacus436, porkchop59, bullshitGMS, MSVista, nvista, Mohdfarhan, daqigui, mohdjunid, mohdjames, MemberName05, porkchop611, aboutdelphi, delphifcuk, AndrewofWP, Andrew69sg, sockmonkeysg, wayanguru, checkentry, wayangclub, GH2788why, monkeylohhp, deankohh, createnew, callcab111, Goldenparrot, createpoll, madcow2788, COE75, PussyJUDGE, PDonkey10, namqiong5984, remychooo, AndrewLoh985, wayangkingsg, wayangclubsg, MaryKwan, etc., most of them have been banned.
For the regular forummers of SBF, they would remember that this Wayang King has been notorious in impersonating other opposition parties' figures, such as Perry Tong, Low Thia Khiang, and Sebastian Teo at SBF, causing a stir in the local newspapers in Singapore. When he was caught red-handed for impersonating Perry Tong, he cunningly assumed another identity in the name of Bernard Soh (using a login name hongrui1982) to post a letter of apology.
With a history like this, it is not difficult to digest the recent events and who is behind them.
From all the evidences available, it is without a shadow of doubt that this Wayang King signed off as Jasper to post the first message on 05/02/2008 at singabloodypore (singabloodypore.rsfblog.org):
http://singabloodypore.rsfblog.org/archive/2008/02/04/singapore-s-shame.html
He was caught subsequently by soci to impersonate Andrew Loh to post a message on 06/02/2008 challenging Jasper at singabloodypore.rsfblog.org:
http://singabloodypore.rsfblog.org/archive/2008/02/12/baseless-malicious-hogwash-no-more.html
So the netizens have been taken a free ride by the Wayang King without knowing that they have been watching a wayang show conducted by wayangparty (wayangparty.wordpress.com).
With this in mind, there is a possibility that the second Jasper is also a clone of wayangparty used to further discredit TOC by posting a message on 07/02/2008 at singabloodypore.
It becomes clear that why an anonymous Jasper would bother to set up a blog (jasperwee.wordpress.com) for the sole purpose of attacking TOC if he is not a member of the PAP's Internet Counter-Insurgents Squad.
Once we know that Jasper and wayangparty are the same person belonging to the PAP's Internet Counter-Insurgents Squad, his malicious act of disinformation and attacks on TOC and Workers' Party can be easily seen!
What the Wayang King did not expect is that his whole self-conducted wayang show has back-fired on the PAP's Internet Counter-Insurgents Squad very badly and discredited himself completely!
Posted by: Bhagyawati | 15/02/2008
This Bhagyawati is none other than a clone of Andrew Loh.
Please go and read the reply above by wayangparty. It stated clearly that he did not impersonate the 2nd Andrew with concrete proof from SBF.
While nobody knows who is Jasper, we now all know Choo Zheng Xi is a PAP blue-eye boy !!
So who is the real PAP mole ?
Posted by: Axthehale | 16/02/2008
it is really not very useful to pin down every who is who on forums; it is just too easy to go and register as a new who, but whoever has something to say, it carries more credibility if he/she also provides links to his/her background, e.g., a website/blog using the same identity, and using the same identity in past discussions on the same forum and related forums - first it shows him/her to have a history of discussion in this area and some knowledge/experience, second that he/she is not just another fly-by-night operator; use-once-throw-away IDs, like come-and-go shops, cannot be trusted, and no importance can be attached to what they say
Posted by: yuen | 17/02/2008
TOC supporters have been attacking their critics as the real PAP moles.
We can see some of the PAP's bullying tactics being employed by TOC.
Well done, Andrew Loh !
I'm not surprised you are previously a YPAP member !
Posted by: Disgusted | 17/02/2008
Why use another anonymous nick Axthehale to post here when you already use wayangparty in your previous posting? By using multiple anonymous nicks such as Jasper, wayangparty, Mousey, DarthPenis, etc. to post here can only weaken your position and shows your malicious intent.
After you got repeated bans by the forum God at the Sammyboy.com's Alfresco Coffee Shop, you still have not learned your lesson. If you persist in using multiple anonymous nicks to obfuscate your 1-man show, it is just a matter of time that you will be banned by all blog hosts based on your IP address which links you to the National Heath Group.
I also note that you have been blocked by the host of Wikipedia for vandalize its webpage Workers' Party of Singapore:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Wayangpartysg
You are worse than a pest and have not been welcome by the large sections of the cyber community.
Posted by: tonychat1 | 17/02/2008
Low Thia Kiang's speech in Parliament.
议长先生，
在去年财政预算案辩论中，政府以要帮助低收入的国人而实施就业入息辅助计划，每年需要花费4亿元为理由而提高消费税
2%。我指出这是政府以扶助贫困为借口来提高消费税。当时，我认为，即使不提高消费税，政府也负担得起就业入息辅助计划 (Workfare Income
Supplement Scheme)所需的开支。
结果，政府在上个财政年度估计2007年的财政预算会出现7 亿元的财政亏损，现在却宣布有64亿元的财政盈余。
财政部长的解释是因为经济超出预期的增长，再加上房地产买卖逢勃，印花税的收入特别多所造成的。行动党政府一向来以高瞻远瞩自我标榜，财政部也应该有能力推算经济的前景和各财政收入项目的趋势。政府的财政状况从
7 亿元的亏损变成64亿元的盈余差距实在太大。
政府是否因为在上个财政年度为了要提高消费税而在估计财政收入时过于保守？这又是否因而造成财政在预算上亏损，以便有充足的理由可以调高消费税呢？如果政府的财政预算经常出现这种天文数目差距的状况，政府财政预算的可靠性将受到质疑，政府的信用也会受影响。
政府在上个财政年度提高消费税是因为钱不够用而必须向人民伸手要钱，现在既然在财政上有大笔盈余，那在情在理应该取消那增加的2%的消费税。因此，我建议政府在这个财政年度削减消费税2%。
政府也许不知道，去年经济虽然看起来一片大好，增长超出预料，但并非每个行业都同样受益，有些人甚至没花红拿，而经济增长的结果却伴随着通货膨胀率上扬。许多国人在百物高涨下都面对生活的压力。
在就业方面，一些人还是面对不合理的待遇，也面对外来工人的竞争。我的一个选民就写了封信给我，希望我在国会中提出他父亲所面对的困境，我就把他这封以英文书写的信的部分内容念出来：
“My father is 69 years old, was retrenched, found a job as a security guard with
a security agency company. He does 12 hours shift duty at $45.00 per day. He has
passed his medical test. He has obtained his NSRS test and certificate held by
the agency. He speaks English, fluent in Mandarin & other Chinese dialects.
Up to date, he is still working with the agency which is coming to 18 months.
For Chinese New Year he received only $20.00 Ang Pow … There is no CPF, No
holiday pay, No work No pay, No medical benefits. Overtime pay at times only…”
虽然这位选民的父亲应该合格可以申请就业入息辅助计划，但依据政府的统计数据，不少合格的人却没提出申请。我想政府应该认真研究合格者未提出申请的原因。是因为这个计划尚不够完善，无法达到其要帮助低收入者的目标？还是信息的传达不够深入，好些没受什么教育的低收入者仍然不知道有这个计划的存在？我认为，政府除了应该设法更广泛地传达就业入息辅助计划的信息，也应该考虑征求雇主的合作，要求雇主告知合格的员工并帮助他们申请就业入息辅助计划。
有人问我一个问题，财政盈余对我们人民有什么意义？政府有钱分，人民却抱怨，为什么呢？
因为如果政府不提高消费税，物价就不会这么高，生活的压力也就不会这么大，如果政府能善加利用财政盈余和投资收益所获，增加大学教育和医疗的开支，使人们能轻易负担得起学费，就不需要政府
“慷慨”
的提高大学生的助学金和填补教育户头，而人们在生病必须住进医院时也不必在病痛中仍得面对支付能力的调查，担心医药费的数目，痛心自己病重成为家人和儿女的沉重负担.
Posted by: DQ | 26/02/2008